help trump. this is the closest we've gotten to putin trying to effect the outcome of the u.s. election. he doesn't have any cards in his hand right now. he needs to get some. the leverage that he's got is to arrest a random american, hold him hostage and create some type of prisoner swap at some point in the future. and hopefully not have butina cooperate with mueller. >> to that end, bill, what do you think the u.s. should be doing in this case or in the big picture approach with everything you just outlined? >> well, i mean, you just looked at that chart you put up there, they grabbed a bunch of ukrainian sailors. they arrested paul wheel an, they cheated in the elections, done all sorts of other stuff. russia is a hostile country, hostile to american and western interests, they should be