i look at president trump and i see a lack or a lack of interest in exploring that kind of tension. >> well, george h.w. bush's life was driven by these competing impulses. he desperately wanted to serve. he also wanted to succeed in the arena. he was one of the most competitive men who ever drew breath. would be the first to tell you that. i remember asking him once what had driven him, because if life were all about service, he could have just opened a soup kitchen. and he raised that big left hand. he always talked with his left hand, big fist. and he said, it's be number one. it's be the captain of the team. it's whatever you're in, you know, do well. and that's perfectly fine. it's perfectly natural. the great thing about him is that once he had power, once he did succeed in the arena, he deployed that power against his own interest in many cases.