the wheels. what would be the tipping point where trump, do you think, would jump in, possibly fire mueller, possibly really kind of gin up whitacre. because it's clear at this point he's not driving the championship. >> the area that poses the most risk to that ready line is what is going on in the southern district of new york. so i know the people around trump, and it's true and it bears repeating, the investigation that has concerned them more is that southern district of new york investigation. i spoke the on rudy giuliani the day they submitted all their answers to mueller. i said, rudy, do you think like you know what the chief financial officer has told the southern district investigators