quite have eyes into, whitaker, mueller, rosenstein and that justice department. you've got to imagine there are some interesting conversations happening there, josh. >> yeah, i think, you know, one thing -- everything that everybody says about matt whitaker, why the president put him there, all that stuff, 100% right. but i do think we underestimate to an extent the degree to which rod rosenstein, bob mueller, all these players are big power players who have deep roots in washington, know the bureaucratic angles, and matt whitaker is not from that world and doesn't know the space. he may be more vulnerable. >> that's a good point. josh marshall and betsy woodruff, thank you both. still ahead, midterm results are still coming in. they're still counting votes. tonight the florida senate race is so closes the officially headed to a hand recount.
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