commentator, legal commentator. he's a very conservative guy. he looks the part. he's an ex-university of iowa football player, big tough-looking guy. and we understand that's part of what is appealing to him, to trump. but he's not a name that people in connected d.c. legal circles would probably though. and he's really a behind-the-scenes guy as jeff sessions' chief of staff. >> we have a shot of him, in fact behind the attorney general. mark, thank you for your reporting tonight. thank you very much for joining us by telephone. matt zapotosky. forgive me. thank you so much. this is the latest piece of reporting on this relationship between the president and his still attorney general. let's talk about this tonight with frank figliuzzi, former fbi director for counterimgs. and david joly, former republican congressman for the state of florida which has been in the news all day for an