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were they g-men ornd? were they acting as g-men or tools of the white house. >> i don't know what a g-man is. >> you don't know the old '30s movies, but -- the fbi guys. >> ultimately, the white house is their client, so they are restricted. but they know and they recognize -- >> well, they're not pinkertons. they work for the united states, not the just the president. >> but the white house is ultimately the client. and as greg said, there are things that the white house can limit the scope on. and they recognize that they're being used by the white house here, they're being used by the senate. >> chris, i would say, as i mentioned with, the white house does control the background investigation process, both the scope and the duration, but obviously, the republicans in the white house have an optics problem here. it just doesn't look right to a lot of folks that those two individuals were not interviewed as part of this. i just don't think it makes sense to people. >> suppose the guy was up for secretary of defense like john tower once was, he had a drinking problem, whatever he's doing, but he didn't pass muster. can you tell if you're doing a

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