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state. it's not just to be a political leader. chief of state means someone who represents us around the world, someone who is a president who you want to hold up to your children and say, this is someone i want you children to be like. and donald trump, that's just a side of this office that he doesn't care about and he really doesn't fulfill. even friends i have who like donald trump will say, i would never want my children to be like him, but he's doing things that i like. so that's why, in a time like this, it's very important for us to think of particularly political leaders who are people who represent qualities that we would like our children to grow up to be like and also represent america around the world. so for that reason, i think the brighter john mccain's legacy, the better for all of us. >> michael steele and michael bechsloz, thank you so much for spending some time with us. coming up, a quick break for us. more "11th hour" after this. today...

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