is that a statement that can no longer apply in government? if you listen to all these things many administration officials have said, it sure seems that way. >> i can what you'think what yo though, is you can take the facts -- and facts are facts. but if you reach a wrong conclusion by stringing a bunch of them together, then that's still the wrong conclusion. in a way it's like a brown novel. we're picking a bunch of facts to create an entertaining and fictional conclusion. i think that's what rudy giuliani is getting at. >> i don't think the argument there was anyone was trying to say there was already a conclusion, but rather that there have been several very specific events that have facts associated with them, the administration has said one thing and another thing has turned out to be true. right? >> yes, there have been, there have been times when the information has changed and the story has changed. >> okay. so, i want to kind of dig into this a little bit further just because i think it's really important because this level of casualness with the truth has permeated all levels of our
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