numbered really into the thousands. somewhere between 1500 and 2000 counter protesters. the white nationalists were outmatched. they were disorganized and dee legitimatized by that poor showing that they had. and we should say good thing they had a poor showing. you did see a real kind of level of organization on the other side that made the effort really mounted by jason kessler to look really, really bad. so at this point -- we should also mention of course he did not get the permit he was seeking to do this follow-up rally, this sequel in charlottesville. and that's one of the reasons, the primary reason why he shifted his focus here to washington. theoretically, in closer proximity to president trump, although president trump as you well know is wrapping up his week long what they call a working vacation, what the white house calls a working vacation in bedminster. so he didn't see any of this. i'm sure he watched it on television. he sent out a preemptive tweet yesterday, the other day, saying he condemns racism of all kinds. depending on where you sit, you