in an unofficial capacity, was he communicating with donald trump, if he was, what was he saying. if he's communicating with donald trump behind the scenes and maybe if he's communicating with wikileaks behind the scenes, was he passing information. those are all unknowns right now, they're questions. >> right. clearly he was still supporting trump and trying to work on his behalf and trying to use these wikileaks, use those e-mails to trump's advantage. he has gotten himself into really hot water, as have other individuals. i don't know that they realized that this would turn into a federal inquiry of this magnitude, and now the weight of the mueller investigation is wearing down heavily on people like roger stone, his inner circle, people like don junior, who probably didn't realize what they were getting into. >> we will see what happens there. anna schecter, great reporting as always. thank you very much for joining us. and to help me break this down, i'm joined by a reporter at the "daily beast," betsy

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