that is sort of what is at the core of all of this. >> chuck, the tone and tenor as ashley is saying are wacky. the substance is fascinating to me. they have reupped and the tell in the conversation around flynn goes to the heart of the obstruction of justice investigation, it would seem. rudy giuliani saying that he can't take questions about flynn and i guess by extension about the request to former fbi director comey to see to it to let flynn go. that was the question that rudy said he could not answer, the president could not answer. here's giuliani answering the question and telling us exactly his understanding of what happened with george stephanopoulous. let's watch. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying that the president was asking, directing him in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was, can you -- >> comey said he took it as direction. >> that's okay. by that time he had been fired. he said a lot of other things, some of which have turned out to

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