was a guy named paul erickson, who was an nra activist. and he had been working with her to infiltrate, penetrate, make connections with people in the nra and other conservative groups. so if she were raided, as she was, one would expect him to know about it and word to start filtering out. which could have caused a tremendous panic within the nra and might have -- and might have led to anyone being connected with butina, to be scared, i'm not sure about an indictment, but to be scared of being caught up -- >> certainly exposure. >> yes. >> and peter brunell was very much involved, having gone, you know, on trips that butina organized and having been one of the nra highest officials that she had cultivated. >> when you look at the nra, which has a lot of seasoned
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