oligarch, and someone mueller identified as having ongoing ties to russian intel jenls. we all need to ask ourselves how desperate was manafort at that point, what was he willing to do if the russians put the finger on him as part of their collusion and intervention campaign in the election. >> i don't think paul manafort is a start-up guy. but every time i think about this model, i think about a guy willing to forego salary to make it up in equity. if he got stock options in the trump administration and got paid off down the line, it might make sense. let me ask you this other question, ken, real quick. the gates confusion, can you just explain -- last night we were talking e oh, my god, they might not call rick gates. we're definitely going to call rick gates. what is the explanation behind that, what seems to have been some waivering on the part of the prosecution? >> i think we led a little into much of a comment by the prosecutor yesterday who was mindful of the fact that the defense has rested its whole case presumably on blaming rick gates. the prosecutor maybe wanted to
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