others today say more than once, collusion is not a crime, what is it? >> he's right. collusion is not a crime. it's something, i think, the president made up. you just showed the graphic. the president's the only one who's ever said the word collusion. robert mueller and his team have never used that word, collusion. of course conspiracy is a crime and of course receiving aid from foreign nationals in an election is a crime, and obstruction of justice is a crime. but it's word play and it's so flimsy and it's so transparent that i think, again, it's another sign of desperation, and you know, as jonathan said, they're trying to sort of -- they have nowhere to go. and so they're trying to play semantics and it's another sign that they're panicking. >> so jonathan, the president today allowed that he'd be perfectly willing to sit down with rouhani of iran with no preconditions. now the mueller interview is something different. where do those chances stand? >> i think we saw singapore, we've seen helsinki, this one's probably, you know, book your flight now.