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so, i think what is of material significa significance, here, alex, we've moved from the area to conspiracy. with the meeting hiding in plain sight when he admonished the russians to go ahead and get hillary clinton's e-mails. now with prior knowledge and intent, we're now beginning to inch into the territory of conspiracy. and what's the difference? well, collusion isn't a federal crime. conspiracy is. >> who do you think has more credibility right now, is it michael cohen or is it donald trump? >> well, i wouldn't want to have to rely on the credibility of either of them. but i'm hard-pressed to understand why at this point mr. cohen would be lying. for me, the question is always, where are the incentives for behavior. and i don't see any incentive from mr. cohen at this stage of this whole sordid affair to be

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