there's a lot of things not in here. but for a lawyer like you, you think, wow, there are references to people who aren't named. do you have the impression that the special counsel's office knows who those other people are. why are there things that don't seem to be in here that they make references to? >> that's a standard way that you list out material. anyone who's either unindicted or may never be indicted is not supposed to have dirt put on their name, if you will, so organization 1 is a reference that very clearly is wikileaks and nbc confirmed that. other references appear to be roger stone based on other leaks but we wouldn't say that's 100% confirmed by mueller's office. so we have to be careful about that because people are subjects and targets of the investigation and may not ultimately be charged. that's the standard way that you do this. richard nixon was famous leanne unindicted co-conspirator in the watergate proceeding, but the same concept applying. i think what is so significant here as we await the trial of the chairman of the trump campaign and we have other