manafort's incarceration telling the "new york daily news," "when the whole thing is over, things might get cleared up with some presidential pardons," adding "i don't understand the justification for putting him in jail. you put a guy in jail if he's trying to kill witnesses, not talking to witnesses." he later downplayed those comments in an interview with nbc news saying he would advise a pardon. some mixed signals there. ken dilanian, national security reporter for nbc news, mike the schmidt with the "new york times" and msnbc national security contributor, mimi rocah, and carolyn poly zee a criminal defense attorney. thank you for being with us. ken, let me start with you. in terms of the bottom line now, paul manafort's in jail. he's probably till september at least now. explain what exactly it was that caused the judge to make that decision today.