going on. i suspect they had. why secret? it could be they have pro active cooperation going on. in other words, they flipped him, and it could be the case -- >> talking about a wire? >> talking about a wire. that they wired him up and got him into conversations. paul manafort's on house arrest. so in theery, he could still have phone calls and meetings. whether that happened or not, there's a whole host of things that a prosecutor and fbi agent team would use to use a cooperator proactively. i can almost assure that all the defense lawyers for mr. manafort and anyone else indicted, they're saying, don't talk to anyone. don't talk on the phones. >> david, i've dealt with mr. manafort in a reporting capacity. you're no stranger to a lot of players in republican politics. walk us through the mind-set here of an individual with this much pressure coming down on him, his deputy flipping who he brought in originally as an intern in his firm. his son-in-law flipping since
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