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that information for two weeks, that they feel as though the president will not be indicted by robert mueller because they want to follow what he described as these rules and this press did be and this culture at the department of justice. the issue is that rudy giuliani is way more someone who was hired to talk to the media. he was somebody who was meant to be put on the offense and he's somebody who is making the case and getting people ready for whether or not this report comes out. i think why rudy giuliani is out there talking about this is because once this report comes out there are two things that are going to happen. people are going to start saying what are republicans going to do? and rudy giuliani wants to say look it is a report, who cares? it is not a real thing. it's not a real indictment. that's why i think he is over there talking to everybody. >> liz holtzman on one hand you have rudy giuliani saying there can't be an indictment, there won't be an indictment. on the other hand, he also said -- this is what raised a

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