>> that the payments are not for his expertise perhaps but for access and influence. in municipal governments we've had it here many years ago in the city of detroit with the former mayor. had you to pay to play. if you wanted to do business with the city, you had to pay consultants and experts and others, contractors a fee that was ultimately shared with the mayor for him to make decisions in awarding contracts. that was on a microlevel, something perhaps we're seeing at a larger level. >> ultimately shared with the mayor. keep that in mind when you think about what is emerging here. great to have you both. next, vice president pence channeling his inner richard nixon, telling robert mueller time to to wrap it up.
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