was not in the american lexicon or discussion six months ago, avenatti. >> yeah, a fixture of cable news at this point. i couldn't agree more with you. i think about the likelihood that trump will not talk. two reasons. one, an amazing anecdote in "the wall street journal" about what was essentially a mock interview that they ran where he could not get through two questions. and that is troubling enough. >> because of loquaciousness. >> it was like his early debate prep sessions. >> the other thing is something that's gone relatively unnoticed, but we're coming up on the one-year anniversary of the last time donald trump has done an interview on tv with a non-friendly news source, anchor, or outlet. that was, of course, on nbc with lester holt. that's been a year since he's actually allowed himself to be questioned in a sustained fashion on tv by a journalist. and that is a remarkable amount of time to hide yourself essentially from a public grilling. it suggests to me, as you

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