wouldn't want this for anybody, he's a good man, he wouldn't want to deal with anybody, it's disgusting, he's ultimately going to make his own decision. >> reporter: i read that the same way as you, katie. >> i think we're having an issue with jeff. let's go over to garrett. >> reporter: we can make this argument that jackson was being unfairly maligned by the press and he made this argument also that democrats were targeting ronnie jackson because they had previously tried to derail the confirmation of the secretary of state. you got the sense that the president was trying to make the case that ronnie jackson was one of the finest men he ever met, but the president was in many ways giving jackson the