which then of course becomes the motive for the january meeting with prince. it seems to me, joy, if i'm the russians and looking at this starting back in june with the trump tower meeting and with the dangle of hillary clinton opposition research which kushner walked out of and then to come back to this back channel with this meeting, i think malcolm is absolutely right. the russians realized very quickly that this is a team, a circle of people that's motivated by money and money is going to be the key to get into the circle. i think that's exactly what was happening. malcolm hit this completely straight on the head here. this was clearly a meeting to set up a covert line of communications with the auspices of potentially giving money of some sort to prince or to someone else. but that seems to be the common denominator of all these meetings. >> need and greed, we've talked about this for 18, 19 months, that these are the things that allegedly motivate people to do business and dark deals with people like the kremlin. sarah, you have, we've now mentioned kushner and he is said
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