around. people like gary cohn weren't idea logical. if you look at the conversation happening now, john bolton being interviewed by the president for h.r. mcmaster's job. he's in the grand scheme of conventional orthodox generals who support the post cold war order. john bolton is an ideologue and that's what's going to happen as people are replaced. >> ideologues -- i think rick's point is right in this one respect. you usually get a new administration. cite the clinton example. you bring in with all due respect web hubbell. you bring people from home. it turns out they're a little overmatched by the job. in some cases just overmatched. they come in and don't have what it stakes to be white house chief of staff. the next thing you do is see

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