>> that's right. he's doing. >> which he does normally and which we've sort of gotten used to. >> if you take all of these things together, he knows from his joint defense agreement with his lawyers what questions are being asked people close to him. he knows that the investigation is starting to close in on him. >> what do you make of the dutch lawyer? i mean, a lot of people thought this was strange. strange for a number of reasons. it's extraordinary to indict a lawyer. he seems someone ancillary. the lies that were told were about this kind of propaganda document that skadden arps put together to protect a client of manafort's that they worked on. what do you make of it. >> the key piece is a september of 2016 conversation with an unidentified person in that information. >> one of the things he lied about according to the charging document. >> right. if you notice that information
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