aggrieved former employees out there who want people to know that they think that this is bad and shouldn't be going on. this is something that is very closely linked with the government. that was not in the indictment. bob mueller did not allege that this was government-directed. however, "the washington post" obtained a classified or portions of a classified nsa report that was filed just in december where they concluded that this very operation was almost certainly known about and probably directed by the kremlin. >> is it your sense this is ongoing? >> i do believe that it's ongoing, yeah. i've had some off-the-record conversations with some people who have been claiming to still work there. and, you know, i think that it's still going on, yeah. >> do you think that it's going to -- it seems like in some ways it's a remarkably effective model. in so far if you just want to ms. with people, there is this kind of -- there is this kind of