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that at all. >> paul, do you know how many trains were on the amtrak train? how many cars there were? >> i do not. >> and you mentioned that in the front of the train is where most of the damage was, the front of the amtrak train. do we know how many cars derailed in this? >> no, they have not released that. you can't see down to the front. our emergency workers are walking that way. they did eventually get vehicles in there. they did bring in the collapse team, which is part of our fire service, because they had walking wounded and people that were slightly injured, but they had what they called a small ravine, a big ditch, basically, and they used equipment off the collapse truck, wood and timbers, to build sort of a trinlg to let folks get across. >> palul, you are from this are where they do the switching, have they had issues before? or do they do this primaryfully

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