a little maturity f. he shows a little bit of bipartisan leadership, you start thinking, if he goes in this direction, he can be in the mid-40s in every poll. and then the next day, he'll make a racist remark or do something that undercuts it all. why does he do that? >> as with so many things with trump, you have to venture out of the political analysis. you have to get to psychological analysis, i don't mean a weird psychological analysis. he seems to enjoy more the visceral intense reaction that his relatively small base gives him in approval when he does things like this more than he enjoys the kind of more diffuse approval that he gets when he reaches out. he likes to hear the intense roar of a small group of people. i don't understand why that is. but that is the thing, he defaults to that over and over again. >> i think we are over analyzing this. this is a private meeting. he wasn't expecting this to necessarily get out.