further. steven miller, just for context, he has -- and this is very well documented in reporting bine univision and other outlets, this is someone with a lifelong antipathy for latinos in particular and immigrants in general. the fact he's in the white house with the president's ear should be really disturbing to more americans and the fact that it is not is actually quite disappointing. >> i want to ask you about what's motivating this policy. there's a through line in this piece of "the new york times" that it's emotion that's driving president trump's policy. there are critics who suggested something more insidious than that, that it's racially motivated. there's a quotation from frank sherry, from america's voice, and he says to "the new york times," quote, the men tellty of the president saying you people of color coming to america seeking the american dream are a threat to the white people. he's come into the office with an aggressive strategy of trying to reverse the demographic changes under way in america.