mueller, who's an experienced prosecutor at the federal level, might be looking at a rico charge, criminal enterprise, looking at all these tidbits put together and saying they show an effort to make money along the way to the presidency. >> right. right now it seems like you have two tracks that mueller's taking. the obstruction track, and the collusion track. the one that is most dangerous for the president is of course the obstruction track. but in terms of his questioning of paul manafort, rick gates, mike flynn, it seems he's using the possible penalties with rico and with money laundering, tax fraud, things like that, in order to pressure them to tell him what happened during the 2016 election, to kind of get to the bottom of whether or not there actually was collusion or whether there were more meetings that we don't know about or more communication between trump campaign officials and the russians. >> what's your sense of this almost bumper cars, there's so many people being interviewed now, so many people being investigated, so many people being brought before these
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