consumer protections? what was the best argument you heard from somebody high didn't want this other than saying i get donations from banks? >> they made stuff up. the best way they make their arguments, general. it's out of control. irresponsible. you pointed out specific things it has done. >> there are lots more. lots more. >> credit card protections, students loan protection. i have asked every time we have a hearing on this, seen the comments from trump and senator graham from mulvaney. they complain about you have ever heard a specific example of where the agency supposedly did something wrong? >> no. i'm trying to figure it out. >> they are ideologically imposed to consumer protection in general. some of them -- >> how do you -- >> i am not -- >> i get it. i get that. >> explaining stupidity. >> i take issue with the -- >> wait. let me respond. it's somewhat theological. these are people, many of whom believe so much that free
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