solt the junior staffers floating around the white house in junior positions, they're not scared because they don't know enough to be scared. that's way i'd read it. your thinking. >> mueller is formidable, as you point out. he is all substance. he is no flash. he will indict a case or indict multiple cases if they should be indicted. he will feel no pressure to indict if the evidence doesn't lead him there. i think, though, what we're seeing is these white house junior staffers come for academy award and say they're not concerned is a public face. i would be very surprised if we saw people publicly announcing that they were concerned and thought that they were to be indi indicted. this is a little bit of a public relations strategy that is going on right now. >> ashley, could bit that the ones who are both -- who feel the most secure are the ones who weren't invited to the party? they didn't do any obstruction. they weren't invited to anything with collusion. they just weren't part of the inner circumstance physical there was one? >> certainly. and there are a number of people who i spoke to who said, look, i
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