clip earlier at the top of the show where i believe it was senator franken was asking about, did you have conversations with people about russia and the campaign? he's like, well, we didn't have conversations, then he kind of melded it into, conversations about collusion that affected the election. >> right. >> i felt like he had a lot of qualifiers all the time. >> yep. >> it was a deliberate strategy on his part. >> yeah, and i want to talk about this. we were talking about obstruction. again, there's evidence today, more evidence, that that's something mueller's looking into. there's a lot of reasons to think that's something he's very serious about. the document requests from kushner. kerry, one of the things about obstruction was idea of corrupt intent. the idea that you show that you are with corrupt intent trying to obstruct an investigation. and there's not a real particular precise technical legal analog here but i thought this quote from j.d. gordon about sessions was interesting, he says, "he said no one should talk about it because it might leak," which suggests to me sessions in that moment recognized there's something problem mat and i can sketchy about what is being proposed here. >> well, sessions, he was the head of national security committee, and he as a senator,
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