it and see if there is anything larger there. this is a significant thing. we've had different incremental developments along the way here, some bigger than others. the trump tower meeting being one of them. and that is another one that sort of elevates the story again. it doesn't provide all the answers we want. and we won't have that for some time. but we do today have a better understanding of what the campaign knew and what their efforts were. and that's significant. and that's what's different. that's what's different about this story. >> back to you, renato. how do you see the dynamic of the prosecution now? mueller starting from the very beginning. he is starting with the first sign of a russian attempt to hook up, if you will, with the trump people. and then you see -- you have a guy who they may be able to squeeze for more because he was a big shot in the campaign last may. he was the kind of guy that papadopoulos would have to deal with at the top in terms of agreeing to a trip back to russia to pick up the stuff, to agree to accept the stuff, more generally, to agree to play ball with putin. this is a serious business that somebody at the top has to make that decision, i would think.