ty cobb delivering accolades, many praise on mcgahn after the fact, saying he's helped me throughout the course. do you buy that? >> i think that was a little damage control, certainly. the concern among whout counsel and among the chief of staff is ty cobb was being incredibly indiscreet in having this conversation about such sensitive issues in such a public place. i would just add, peter, this was not only at this restaurant, blt steak, that is precisely 171 feet from "the new york times" d.c. bureau, but in the sidewalk seating area where not just any diner, but any passerby could potentially overhear these guys. cobb himself is a very recognizable guy with the big handlebar mustache. >> there's the photo you took. >> he's not inconspicuous at all. the substantive debates and the mistrust, that's what worried don mcgahn and white house