>> is that your view? if other individuals acted the way did he on government security clearances, they would face a stronger reaction? >> oh, my god, yes. he lied over 100 times. he left off all the meetings with the russian ambassador. he had his secretary fill out his security clearance which is like saying, turning your back to the importance of this whole security clearance process. he had to have sat down with an fbi agent who took him through every single question of he had to have lied on those questions. this is an simple process where you can have your secretary fill out a form. >> and just briefly, you had written previously about pardons. why did you zero in on that? something we later heard more about. >> it seeped like a way they would be able to not face the ultimate consequences of what they may have done.
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