web with clinton's personal emails he should take it very seriously that possibly it may have been part of a wider russian campaign against the united states. smith however didn't seem to care. if they were genuine, they would hurt clinton's chances and therefore help trump. did he become an unwitting asset in your voodoo to his zeal to try to beat hillary clinton? >> absolutely he's an unwitting asset, and as you recall in my book, i wrote about all these people were unwitting assets. you know, the russians use two methodologist like naveed said, the dangle, they put something before your eyes and also go direct at the same time. michael flynn may have been the subject of a direct approach. hey, go after hillary clinton. but can i just say one last thing? i know precisely when it information was injected into the bloodstream of american politics. early 2016, there was a news report from russia that was put out through sputnik and another smaller agency which was picked up by a right wing blogger and that story that putin was having a debate within the halls of the