because, ben, that seems to me -- i keep thinking about what i think about ben howe. i keep thinking about which -- like conservative principles and the idea of like self-mastery and self-control being sort of in line with them and the idea of sort of like unruly, licentiousness being opposed to them. it was remarkable to me to last night watch a lot of conservatives say this is absolutely unacceptable, black and white issue here. but then a lot rise to the defense of a candidate who body slammed a reporter. >> yeah, that's the battle that's been going on for a while now, which is the battle between conservatism, and republicanism, and a lot of people have chosen republicism which is the win at any cost. trump has really stretched that definition to lengths i never thought i would say, and it's made it so they're so used to defending things that trump has done, this is almost light. no offense to ben jacobs but this is almost light compared to some of the things they've had