savings that aren't even built themselves on realistic expectations. how obvious was that to you when you first looked at this? >> it's actually worse than $2 trillion. i was actually on the call when mulvaney briefed the press as i guess a member of the press in my spare time. and, in fact, what they did was they did not count any costs from the president's $5 trillion to $6 trillion tax cut plan. so, in fact, there's 5.5 trill dollars call it, of lost revenue that is nowhere in this budget. in fact, what this budget comes down to very simply is $3.6 trillion of proposed spending cuts, most of which will never get through the democrats in the senate who have a block on a lot of this stuff, and $5.5 trillion of tax cuts that as bernie sanders said heavily go to the rich. in fact, this budget they claim will be balanced in fact creates

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