the kos costs -- >> it's the same thing sequester. >> we need a strategy. it's tough to make these decisions sensibly without understanding the strategy and costs and benefits. that you need to do first before you start doing the meat cleaver approach. >> thank you bob hormats. >> a federal judge in maryland also ruled against the president's travel ban. hawaii's state attorney general joins me now. he filed the lawsuit that got the president's new travel ban blocked. sir, thank you for joining us.