burns and nicholas confessory, political reporter for "the new york times." >> the white house is pushing back on the heightened call to investigate the alleged ties between the trump campaign and russia. at what point would a special prosecutor have to get involved and what do you think it would take for republicans in both chambers to push for that? >> it's the call for the justice department to appoint ta specia prosecutor. the pressure would be intense and there would have to be more concrete investigations coming out in press reports to trigger that. there has to be a credible argument that's impossible for justices to handle this on their own. i think members of congress are trying to talk about it and we saw darryl issa the california -- with a pro from the outside, but it would be a hard thing to get the justice guys to sign off on it right now, i think. >> caitlin, how big a deal is that? darryl issa being the one who is
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