especially vocational training. for the life of me, i don't know why we have stigmatized vocational education. welders make more money than philosophers. >> so there's a fact check here, which almost seems like a lame fact check, because it seems like he's sort of making a joke. but the fact check. mid-career median salary, $81,000 versus $40,000. what is this line about when he does it on the stump speech. >> he says he wants to be known as the vocational education president. he has a big push to invest in, you know, creating more mechanics, more technicians, more people who work with their hands. and that's something actually the president's job council, which no longer exists, had also supported, and he kind of makes this joke. and i think he's really good at kind of injecting in these debates, sound bites from his stump speech, that work really well and play really well, even if they might not be the most accurate in this case. but while he plays it differently, he says the job market has really shrunk over the years for philosophers, so
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