institutional structure no longer functions for process stuff like this? >> absolutely. it allows the super pacs to take over even more. it turns it into individual sort of city-states. and there is there's nothing wrong with too many debates. the whole premise is faulty. you want to be on tv as much as you can with your candidates, particularly lesser known, non-trump candidates want to be. ben carson should want to be on television. a lot of people don't know who he is. the whole thing is kind of like shooting themselves in the feet. i don't understand it. i think the only rationale for it is they started the last debate beating up on the media in general still riles up the base, gets big applause. so this is a way of doing that on a grand scale. but if they actually succeeded of robbing themselves of debates, they've shut off their own oxygen on american television. >> that's a very good point. i never really bought the idea that there being so much tv exposure in 2012 was what damned mitt romney. obviously, you've got to be good on tv in order to win the general election.
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