and its present. jackson is a tough case. because he does have those ugly parts of his history. he's also a vital person in our history. >> yes, the declaration of independence is sort of a big deal. i'm just not down for removing that out of our story. let me back up here. how important is this dinner, in this kind of race? i mean, at this point, with vice president biden bowing out, we have a situation where it looks like hillary clinton has a pretty clear pathway to the nomination. is this still critical? >> yes, it is. you showed the speech obama gave. at this point eight years ago, he was exactly where bernie sanders was really. down 20 or 30 points in the national polls. he turned it around if you start looking at the polls. the question is, is bernie sanders going to be able to do what barack obama did or is bernie sanders going to be more of a bill bradley situation? >> let's be really clear about how barack obama won in iowa. the speech was great. he won by having a better
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