this other nonsense. done the same thing about steve ratner as he had a piece in the "new york times" yesterday. >> let me ask you this. let's sort of focus on this tenure. right? she's got a company. she inherits it in 1999, which is -- we all know the bubble's expanding. the dotcom bubble bursts. a lot of money in equities flows out of the tech sector. >> all that's irrelevant already is what nobody, except some of the financial press but not a single political reporter understanding, first of all, she bought this company after the -- well after the dotcom crash hit. that was late '99, 2000. she bought this company in the spring of 2002, when we were coming out of the dotcom crash. and by the -- >> you're referring to the compaq acquisition. >> the compaq acquisition. which was buying the carcass of dying old companies. it was a big mistake. so buying compaq. she did double the revenue. and that's about as relevant as saying you quintupled the number of pencils in the drawer. the value by adding a plus b together, it was worth half a later. if you had a dollar value before