wall up where he's hiding anything. i feel like i'm accusing hillary clinton of hiding something. i'm not. but at this point from the way her campaign is acting, it seems like she is. >> right. >> you know, donald trump seems authentic. bernie sanders seems authentic. i think authenticity in politicians, even like someone in trump is a bit of a shell game. those are just ultimately personas. we don't know what donald trump is like in his private life. we don't know what bernie sanders is like in his private life. these are probably more authentic personas than the one hillary clinton is presenting to the public. i wouldn't call them authentic personas, per se. authenticity is a very sort of nebulous thing we can't get our fingers on absent some incredible knowledge of the person. with that said, i do think that there's a way for hillary clinton to be a more authentic politician. i think it really is leaning in to parts offer that are not that
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