that you have together as you are working on strategy? >> it absolutely is strategic. and it also is just the way that we're going to get free. we understand that we have to fwrork the margins and we have to take everyone with us. because if you take the folks that are in the -- on the sidelines and then everyone can excel. >> what do you hope to see from hillary clinton going forafter this encounter? >> hillary clinton has a unique responsibility in the role in mass incarceration. the divestment that we saw from the urban housing program, from hud, they divested $17 billion and then they also invested $19 billion in prison construction. that happened under the clinton administration and so what we'd like to see from the clinton campaign is an intentionality in how she deals with that. because right now she's talking around it. there needs to be some ownership
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