ideas for how to adequately fund road and bridge maintenance in oregon and the consensus was, why not do it like a utility? if you pay for your electricity as you use it why not pay for the number of miles you drive on the roads because that contributes eventually to the roads crumbling, so we need to keep them fixed up. >> explain how this works. this is, clearly, another way of getting more money. >> it's a way of keeping up really, we're not trying to increase the revenue more than we need in order to keep the roads and bridges in safe and efficient operation, so we're trying to really replace the gas tax, and let me explain that really this is a test drive. >> lowering the gas tax or eliminating the gas tax to put these systems in or this plus that? >> it will be either/or. so orago, the name of this program we're starting on july 1st you will either pay at the pump but then when you have this little device in your car,
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