it is at the core of the catholic faith. to imagine how we'll succeed in our country unless we have committed family life, a child centered family system is hard to imagine. so irrespective of the supreme court ruling because they're going to decide whatever they decide. i don't know what they're going to do. we need to be stallwart supporters. a big tolerance country ought to be able to figure out the difference between discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation and not, forcing someone to participate in a wedding that they findings against their moral beliefs. >> joining me now, sirius xm host executive director of americans united for church and state. what do you make of his comments here? it seems that he is doing a dosy dough in a back and forth.