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experts, court watchers that are thinking that the supreme court will legalize same-sex marriage in the coming months. as you look at the past most recently obamacare, child labor, voting rights civil rights this would make the case they would be moving in a different direction. >> it would. no there has been outlier cases and this would be one of those outlier cases where the court has done some good. that said let's look at the court's record on gay rights. i mean i discuss in the book there was a federal hiring ban for many years on hiring any person who was gay. and when -- early gay rights group challenged that ban, the federal government's response was we're not going to let you -- we're not going to hire you because people are too revoted by gay people. that was the federal government's response. the courts did nothing about that for decades and the first major supreme court case the first major gay rights case reached in the supreme court

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